I don't know why I am attracted to the hot bed issues. I just am! But remember, please Flame Responsibly!
I don’t know why I’m attracted to the hotbed issues. I just am. It’s a curse. I just can’t help myself.
In California, Florida, and Arizona they’re voting about marriage this November. But Camera-guy and I, we live in California – so we’re just going to narcissistically focus on our own state. First of all, in order to really understand what’s going on, we have to jump back in time to the year 2000 and Proposition 22.
This old ballot initiative basically defined marriage as ‘between a man and a woman’, and it passed by a 61% majority. Kind of a headscratcher when you consider how liberal California’s voting is. “We’re the People’s Democratic Republic of California” – That sounds kind of communist – and it kind of is. Anyway, back to the topic – the gay community was not happy about Prop 22, and so they started lobbying and litigating in court to get it changed. And on May 15th, 2008, it happened. The Supreme Court, in a 4-3 ruling, decided Prop 22 was un-Constitutional. That’s right, 4 judges, vs. 4.6 million voters, and the judges won! “That’s because they’re judges.”
Their decision claimed that society’s feelings or perceptions about the issue had changed. “Of course, California voters must have been confused back in 2000. Judges are really in touch with public opinion. Even moreso than People Magazine.” No matter how you feel about gay marriage, you should be very scared at this point.
It’s a dangerous thing to be happy about this kind of cavalier legislation from the bench. It’s tempting for some people to believe that the ends justifies the means. But that is just not true. It’s only a matter of time before something you don’t approve of takes the same backdoor approach, overturning laws and making changes that undermine the will of the people. Judges aren’t supposed to be politically motivated, and Proposition 8 was already on the ballot. If those 4 judges were even remotely responsible, they should’ve waited until the election results came out. Especially when they were basing their decision on public opinion. “Or their perception of public opinion.” It’s tempting to vote ‘Yes’ on 8, just to stick it to those judges. But that would be irresponsible.
So here’s what you ought to know. Prop 8 would add the words, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California.” And unlike Proposition 22, it adds it to the California state constitution. That means that the California Supremes wouldn’t be able to change it. Unless they find a way to declare the California constitution unconstitutional. Which I’m pretty sure they can’t. But that might not stop those 4 rebels from trying. “It’s just laws – public opinion – it doesn’t mean anything!”
Those in favor of Prop 8 claim that homosexual marriage will have a large-scale effect on heterosexual marriage and religious freedom. Those who oppose Prop 8 say that their civil rights are being stripped away, and that it won’t change the way children are taught in school, or your religious freedom… or anything else. And technically they’re correct; correct, but not honest. You see, this is where I get really frustrated. The same back-door approach is being used.
You see, the same individuals and organizations that claim ‘No’ on 8 doesn’t mean homosexual lifestyle gets taught to kindergartners, are currently lobbying to accomplish that very thing in this state, and others. While voting ‘No’ doesn’t make this possible outright, it opens the door for activists to sue anyone who disagrees with them. It’s happening now, people are already being sued for discrimination! A photographer was sued in Arizona for not photographing a gay wedding. A doctor in San Diego was sued for not performing artificial insemination for a lesbian couple. A church in New Jersey was sued for not allowing a gay marriage to be performed in one of their buildings. These were not hate crimes, the people being sued were denied service on grounds of religious reasons. And they’re not the only ones. We’ll post a link on our website to an NPR article that cites several other examples.
Gay used to mean happy, but with all these lawsuits – nobody’s happy. And if Prop 8 doesn’t pass, you can be sure there will be more to come. Hey, there might be more anyway. “Suing people to get your way!” It seems like the new gay motto. “It just doesn’t sound very tolerant to me….” “Oh well, we’ll sue the people that think it isn’t tolerant.”
Okay, religious freedom I get. But what about schools, and education? Well, if you go to the website, NoOnProp8.com, you’ll see an article in the LATimes that claims, “Despite what proponents say, its defeat would not change what California schools teach.” “That’s right, it wouldn’t change it, ’cause there’s already been a school-sponsored first-grade field trip to a teacher’s lesbian wedding!” “And you thought your kids weren’t getting a balanced education.”
Let me pause here and say that I’m not a homophobe. Even though some of you have probably already called me one. In fact, I recently made friends with a gay man, who violated my first amendment rights by taking down my ‘Yes On Prop8′ sign. His name’s Robert by the way. “Hi Robert!” I replaced the sign, and I wrote, “Tolerance goes both ways. Please don’t take away my right of freedom of speech and expression by removing this sign.” When he saw what I wrote, he felt so bad, he came to my house and apologized. We clearly see differently on this issue, and I can understand that the sign upset him. But we resolved it amiably – and respected each other’s rights.
To my friends in the gay community – if you want lasting change, remember that bitter hostility and lashback legal action will not work. Using activist judges to usurp a right, and then claim it’s being taking away, is not honest, or democratic. There are religious institutions that will never change their standing on homosexual marriage. And if you’re not tolerant of them, how can you possibly expect them to tolerate you back?”
You probably think I have no idea what it’s like to be gay – or persecuted. But you know what’s funny? I have absolutely no idea what it’s like to be gay. But people assume I’m gay all the time. I even got assaulted by a guy who thought I was gay!
Transcribed by: Joshua Z.
Video Correction
The photographer was sued in New Mexico, not Arizona. Thanks esmily for pointing this out. The link below to the NPR story explains the details.
News Links
NPR story about all the suing going on!
First grade field trip to a lesbian wedding.
No On Prop 8 – NoOnProp8.com
Yes for Prop 8 – ProtectMarriage.com
Prop 8 violence – intolerance goes both ways.
Prop 8 split – not necessarily down party lines.
Lost rights in Canada – Not long after Quebec approved gay marriage, the legislature discretely changed the Quebec Charter of Human Rights and Freedoms so that parents no longer have any say in religious instruction of their children in schools.
Justice Baxter’s Dissenting opinion – This is a brief excerpt citing just a few problems with the court’s ruling:
“In reaching this decision, I believe, the majority violates the separation of powers, and thereby commits profound error.”
“Nothing in our Constitution, express or implicit, compels the majority’s startling conclusion that the age-old understanding of marriage — an understanding recently confirmed by an initiative law — is no longer valid.”
“The majority’s mode of analysis is particularly troubling. The majority relies heavily on the Legislature’s adoption of progressive civil rights protections for gays and lesbians to find a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. In effect, the majority gives the Legislature indirectly power that body does not directly possess to amend the Constitution and repeal an initiative.”
He also states that the Court has chosen to “overturn[], in abrupt fashion, an initiative statute confirming the equally deep-rooted assumption that marriage is a union of partners of the opposite sex. The majority does so by relying on its own assessment of contemporary community values, and by inserting in our Constitution an expanded definition of the right to marry that contravenes express statutory law. That approach creates the opportunity for further judicial extension of this perceived constitutional right into dangerous territory.”
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The Perspicacious Loris
Ok, right. The United States Supreme Court has nine judges. (which I only recently realized are called Justices)FanOfAr
@The Perspicacious Loris - Here's the Wikipedia Article about the California Supreme Court: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_Court_of_California Look in the box at the far ...The Perspicacious Loris
How do you have a four to three ruling on the Supreme Court? Aren't there nine judges?Mati
I don't know why people don't acknowledge that the gay LIFESTYLE is a choice. Its a LIFESTYLE, and nobody ...Mati
I once asked a spokes"person" (woman) who was lecturing on gay marriage after she clearly stated that the agenda was ...How would you defend DOMA?
[...] contrary to how they'd voted and without waiting to see how they'd vote again - a major point made ...gedebob
I should have known this one would cause quite a raucous. I lived in Cali during the 2000 prop ...PT202
I love your show! However, this one had me scratching my head. Religion has nothing to do with ...mygodisbetterthanyourgod
in response to "Lost Rights in Canada", a child doesn't have his or her own religion. just as a child ...mygodisbetterthanyourgod
i hate trying to sift through all the religious bullshit to get to the facts. this site is satire, poorly ...ideal4living
i dont see what the problem is with gay marrige, if that is what they want, that is what they ...russdpipes
Gays should not be allowed to Marry in secular law, Marriage is a religious ideal, and should not apply to ...Space_Cadet
Amen brothers.iammrkcohen
This is a respectable and intelligent assessment of the issue, but the claim that the Supreme Court is “legislating from ...Jzyehoshua
Oh wow, this is some more great stuff! I don't think the gay rights community realizes that even people ...mjb3190
o and just a thought from civics class that im sure someone else has talked about in this sea of ...mjb3190
you helped me write my english paper with this. thank u!dnandy
Veganboy; yes, I do have the right to vote against something I don't like. I have the right to ...dnandy
The law of the USA and it's states is designed to uphold the moral standards of the majority. Whether ...Tae
I am not "showing hatred" to homosexuals when I show abhorrence to the idea of teaching strictly adult material (alternate ...veganboy
So, people feel they should have the right to discriminate because they don't like something? Doesn't ever occur to ...sugarpoultry
boredalum: Or, a vote for 8 means we are traditional marriage supporters and has nothing to do with gays or ...Scott
boredalum said: . "A vote for 8 means you support amending a constitution to eliminate rights for a group of people" - ...boredalum
Short and Simple: . A vote for 8 means you support amending a constitution to eliminate rights for a group of people ...graybeard
-boredalum Thank you. If I have lightened your life with humor, my instruction has not been entirely in ...sugarpoultry
I'm tired of how people who are against Prop 8 are for "love and tolerance" when they go around and ...Scott
boredalum: . "If a fanatical religious movement tried to amend the constitution to take away the rights. . . I would ...boredalum
graybeard: . You're hilarious. I stand by my charged words and their dictionary meanings as applied to prop 8. It ...graybeard
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To Scott, graybeard, and all others still reading who challenge my claims: . Sorry for making your ache tired. I didn't ...graybeard
-boredalum You make my tired ache. I am simply trying to make your “one anonymous voice” more persuasive. Here ...socalcutie82 [22]
OK, I got the link to this video and since I enjoyed it so much I started watching the other ...Scott
boredalum: Hello again. I was going to try and keep this short, but that didn't happen. Sorry ...boredalum
Those of you who have been following the discussion on this thread for the past week or so have probably ...sjetha
Best.. Episode.. Ever..Avonasek
What takes away all of my sympathy for gay marriage is the fact that they didn't earn it. they ...JohnnyWhat
Heh thanks guys for making the really long posts a little shorter looking at first glance. I'm appreciateing the mores ...jeffinputnam
Russ, you didn't read what I wrote but read what you had hoped I had written. It's common when emotions ...Diego [22]
@keelhaulbill "That means at best natural selection has targeted gays for extinction." You seem to not be aware of group selection, homosexuality ...effamy
for Russ[22] I appreciate it Russ, thank you. Loads of stuff. After checking our own law libraries I checked other Canadian ...Russ [22]
@ effamy: I'll never quite understand the logic that says a statement from my mouth carries more weight when it was ...effamy
Russ[22] Just to point out your illogic: Re: 3 The Greater Harms You're correct in saying that law is based on morality. But ...graybeard
-boredalum Thank you for the legal lesson (post 10/27). I am relieved to know that immutable does not mean immutable. Perhaps ...Meandering {207}
Hey gang, is everyone still talking about this? I know I put my 2 cents in with the rest ...Russ [22]
3. THE GREATER HARM . I think the more relevant discussion here is the question of morality. I believe that ...Russ [22]
2. HARMS . Many previous posters have claimed that there is no harm to gay marriage, whether that be to society ...Russ [22]
There are a few things that I think need clarification. 1. IMMUTABILITY . Immutability is definable, and in fact defined simply as ...kd
What happened to flaming Responsibly?!?motr_man
Not gonna be taught in schools, huh? This article seems to indicate otherwise. But wait! That means ...Scott
Back at ya boredalum: (I hope you aren't quite so bored these days)? "Courts make law all the time, let’s ...motr_man
@ Boredalum - Your selfproclaimed certainty about the original intent of the framers with respect to the court is laughable ...gettoman
I think the argument is very simple in regards to rights for anyone. You have the right to believe, act ...keelhaulbill
@Diego "The evidence (yeah like all of it) suggests that sexual prefrance is biologically determined". Really? All of it? Are you ...boredalum
graybeard: Immutability is a legal term of art, and like many other terms of art, its legal meaning and application may ...graybeard
-boredalum Your postings contain quite a number of unsupported statements. Is anything really immutable? If so, how do you ...boredalum
IMMUTABILITY AND EQUAL PROTECTION: Constitutional law DOES NOT require immutability for suspect (protected) classification. The best examples of this are: religious ...boredalum
To Scott: Courts make law all the time, let’s not pretend like that’s not part of their historic role. They state, ...kamaakestad
Nice haircutJustAmes
"I may not always agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say ...Drecon [22]
And there are of course bisexuals that like both men and women and can be equally happy with either sex.Diego [22]
@keelhaulbill The evidence(yeah like all of it) suggests that sexual prefrance is biologically determined, just as having asian apperance is. The ...JohnnyWhat
dragonroka27 yeah aren't all the posts great? Nice and even tempered too. It's pretty obvious a lot of viewers have passionate ...dragonroka27
thanks heaps! wow, I've never seen this many comments... kristinakeelhaulbill
@Diego Your Asian/Gay analogy isn't really working for me. You see, someone that is Asian cannot change that fact where as ...graybeard
In America we have done a lot of environmentally stupid things in the name of rights. People have exercised ...Diego [22]
If prop 8 took away Asian's equal marriage rights would you support it? If you do support 8, what's the ...JohnnyWhat
pkw I think you hit the nail on the head as far as declining marriage rates in general. Many upon many ...pkw
I have to ask a question, and no, I haven't read through the posts. Why be married? I mean, I ...boredalum
To motr_man: I'll keep this short. Constitutions and courts are anti-majoritarian. That's how the Framers invisioned them, and that's ...boredalum
To: Jennifer McKenzie I'm afraid that I lost you on your argument. Even supposing that 100 percent of the "homosexual ...motr_man
@ Boredalum, Your arguments are consistantly bursting with ethos and lacking in logos. I will site only one of ...Scott
To boredalum: Mob rule is a bad thing. Judicial activism is defined in several ways. What seems most activist ...hygentist [22]
This is the best video I've seen Re: prop 8. Great job handling a very tough issue by making it ...Guin
@Jennifer McKenzie : Its Ok, i tend to eat words.Jennifer McKenzie
And I apologize for my awful spelling! *has a tendency to edit AFTER pressing 'post'*Jennifer McKenzie
I'm afraid the argument that the majority acquired through an election isn't valid because on 15% voted doesn't sway me ...Guin
Ok this how i understand it . the minority has overruled the majority by circumventing the voteing system. Now the minority ...JohnnyWhat
GoddessMother The link you posted was from a Focus on the Family publication. They're not overly fond of gays and lesbians ...GoddessMother
http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000008475.cfm Another reason Gay marriage is not a good idea, especially when children are involved.JohnnyWhat
ain't it though effamy? Nothing like a good spirited debate that doesn't degreade into name calling and shouting matches.effamy
wow, excellent dialogue.boredalum
To Curtis: To avoid missing the forest for the trees - my reference to the mob is really not all that ...Niron04
And to life and family! And to the parents of children who were either procreated or adopted. The children of ...JohnnyWhat
Russ Typically I use the term civil rights when reffering to the Civil Rights Movement that we're all pretty familair with ...Niron04
@Potential Thanks for questioning my intelligence of the English language. Thanks for the clarification of my message. Yes, I do agree ...Curtis [22]
Boredalum It was a shame you stated, "4.5 million people voted for Prop 22 in 2000. But this state has something ...Russ [22]
JohnnyWhat: . Re: Women's Suffrage. Yes, I was aware of its original failure for a super majority in the Senate (it ...JohnnyWhat
Weggles Yeah I heard about some serious flame fanning on secondpersonpronountube. At first I was told I should check it out ...WEGGLES
JohnnyWhat- More or less a "Ruckus" as in causing people to voice their opinions on, since it's such a polarizing issue. ...JohnnyWhat
Russ I hate to contradictory but Ms. King was an avid supporter of gay rights examples are below: On April 1, ...JohnnyWhat
Weggles It actually hasn't caused much of a ruckus. For the most part people have stated their opinion in very respectful ...keelhaulbill
All hail Russ! I haven't witnessed a spanking like that in a long time. You're amazing.Russ [22]
Rebutting "jeffinputnam": Your history needs some serious brushing up. . 1) Women's Suffrage DID pass nationally. (See the Nineteenth Amendment.) ...WEGGLES
To The Brothers Winn: Successful Troll Successful? Was the point of this "episode" to just cause a ruckus?Russ [22]
Rebutting "boredalum": Thank you, sir, for showing your hand. Within two paragraphs you go from wanting to tolerate ...idiotonuni
you homophobe. P.S. there sure are a lot of 22's around here. *hint* i sure would like to join them ...JohnnyWhat
pmmacc If we're talking about intimate acts performed by two people, I'd like to state that nothing is done by gay ...pmmacc
We need to get off the 'rights' garbage and look at biology. All the bacteria, virus and other things, needed ...Payallin [22]
Actually sandynj, asking if the ends justify the means is a legitimate argument. All that question is asking is, was ...jeffinputnam
I'd like to expand a bit on "boredalum's" comments. Had the decision for women to vote gone to a national referendum ...sandynj
My only problem is that the announcer says that believing that "The end justifies the means." is an incorrect belief. ...boredalum
I liked and agreed in part with aspects of that video - but a lot of it was oversimplified, misleading, ...Drecon [22]
Soul Sister: there have been a lot of researches about the subject of mental health of children raised in 'alternative' ...Russ [22]
Because I oppose the radical redefinition of time-honored, historic and sacred institutions; Because I oppose the degrading culture of individual gratification ...Russ [22]
I went to high school in San Francisco. I have several gay friends. I also worked extensively on ...Potential
Previous post was in direct reference to Niron04's posting.Potential
You speak of the benefit of "exposing children to the world around them", I am curious if you live in ...kd
Wow!! Lots of Flaming! Great show! :)esmily
Video mentions photographer sued in Arizona. I know this happened in New Mexico; did it also happen in Arizona?Payallin [22]
Good job as usual guysmarc
Wow... 70 comments... well now 71. Most posts are responsible responses too. I am amazed with the amount ...Soul Sister [22]
Drecon, I want to respond to your comment. I agree whole heartedly with adoption, although adopting instead of having your ...GoddessMother
I think your video was very well thought out and respectful. I agree totally, and I can point out ...JellyDogg
OOOOO...you made the Picture/Video of the day on Glenn Beck!! http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/17175/designertoxophilite[22] [22]
I would just like to say that I too have been an avid viewer of the WYOTK podcast, and while ...omnius
To add my 2 cents and make it an even dollar, I think that, putting aside the whacko gay activists ...Ingrid [22]
@moded: you clearly did not read my later comments in which I clarified that statement (ok I used the word ...Drecon [22]
I have a lot of problems with the statement that gay marriage is bad because you can't have children within ...Niron04
Wow maybe we should just send all the gays to Mars. Everyone is afraid of same-sex marriage, I just don't ...Curtis [22]
Wow! What a video and subsequent responses. It took the video a few minutes to run, but it took me ...Soul Sister [22]
So this has been an amazingly interesting forum to read. And an excellent distraction from my homework! :) So I'm ...graceofbass [22]
And let me know if you have information that contradicts what I posted. I'd like to know if I'm wrong. ...graceofbass [22]
My biggest beef with passing a law that allows gay marriage is what happened in Massachusetts. A second grade teacher ...RandomGuy
WOW!!! Lots of people have lots to say, and I'm already getting lost in all the mess, no wonder I'm ...JohnnyWhat
what I like about all of these comments is that hwile the show a difference in opinion from person to ...moded
Lots of interesting arguments going on in the comments... I find it ironic that Rob B seem to argue for seperation ...Nadine [22]
Kudos to Meandering! Those are some level-headed comments.Rob B
Jeez it's getting hot in here, somebody better find a fire extinguisher or something, and fast.Ingrid [22]
ow and the last thing... @dherrera31, I think stop watching this show because you do not agree with what the ...Rob B
fdisk2, I was about to post that but decided to save myself the trouble of being yelled at. You got ...JohnnyWhat
Look at all the comments. Hey Brothers Winn, if you want more forum posts, looks like hot topics are the ...Ingrid [22]
Ow and one more thing, I am not saying tolerate everything! I'm just saying tolerate those things that make people ...fdisk2
Wait ... you aren't gay?Ingrid [22]
owkeej, I gave the show a second chance and I think I understand it better now. So I agree, that ...jeffinputnam
I think you've missed the point. Regardless of what the SC judges say, they must base their decisions on whether ...Nospinplease
I love this video guys! It is so amazing! I complety agree too. And that field trip, totally ridiculous! How ...JohnnyWhat
Ingrid: Technically in the best case senario that's how it would work on this side of the pond too, unfortunately some ...Ingrid [22]
OW and btw, I like the way things are over here. In the Netherlands gay marriages are allowed. So gay's ...JohnnyWhat
Actually Meandering {207} the Supreme Court of the United States wrote in its opinion in the case of Loving vs. ...JohnnyWhat
Hilarious Rob B! Now I can't look at it without seeing it too heh. I'm reminded of seeing a sign ...Catwomen22
Hi I'm a new member of the site and I really enjoy watching these videos, the host is really funny. ...Meandering {207}
dherrera31, I like the passion, its what makes the USA the best country, the people. I'm not the brightest bulb ...Rob B
oh I just remembered, when I first saw the page, without playing the video, I read Gay Marriage, attracted, and ...keelhaulbill
dherrera31, I don't believe you would change your mind no matter what I presented to you. Hell, I didn't even mention ...Rob B
exactly dherra. (excuse my spelling) Most gays aren't lobbying to force the christian church to marry them, but the ones ...Meandering {207}
garykwf - I appreciate your comments (All of them) it helps to see others ideas and beliefs. I don't ...dherrera31
keelhaulbill, Nice try, but I'm saying that you're extending your "tolerance" to accommodate your unconstitutional view on rights, but not far ...JohnnyWhat
Actually I had a thought; Let's say for example Prop 8 fails in California. The proponants of it wouldn't ...keelhaulbill
dherrera31, Do you actually believe that they were claiming people should "tolerate everything." I think so, seeing as how you based ...JohnnyWhat
That's really too bad dherrera31, I also disagree with the stance of this podcast, but it doesn't mean that I ...dherrera31
Well first off, I must say I've been an avid watcher of your podcast. Up until this point, I've ...The Brothers Winn
We love you too CrazyDave.CrazyDave
I just want to say...I Love You All :)Ingrid [22]
Wow, this must have been good show, because I totally got blown away by all the political english terms and ...JohnnyWhat
I've watched this podcast for awhile, but never really felt like leaving a comment. I guess I am not really ...steph {207}
Well see the video in my opinion... WAS GREAT and it makes me equals D (=D)!! I have so much ...Scott
There are thought to be two types of law. An illegal act is either : "malum in se" (bad ...Rob B
It's all about separation of state and religion. We should NEVER base our laws on any religious text, because not ...CrazyDave
Bravo... and garykwf, its not about a SINGLE hetrosexual marriage threatened by a homosexual marriage. "Marriage is not primarily a contract between ...Scott
Jennifer McKenzie wrote: "the government should not be able to tax a couple as if they were two single people" Your ...huscarl
Wow, ther have been alot of posts in a couple of hours. Please don’t read anything I say as attacking ...Jennifer McKenzie
I voted against Prop 22 because I thought Gay Marriage should be approved and the government should not be able ...GregPalmer
Bravo! I brain you even more! No homo. (wink) I agree . . . tolerance goes two ways.effamy
i am a libertarian so my question is always: why is the government having any say over the personal lives ...garykwf
Oh, can't resist wondering what the frock religious instruction is doing in public schools in the first place? Oh, ...garykwf
I would suggest Meandering from Wisconsin reread my post just below theirs. Even if the so-called Gay Agenda were ...marc
I personally feel that marriage is a religious term, and should be only manipulated by religion. However, that being ...garykwf
What the Bible says is irrelevent in civil law. Google treaty of tripoli, I believe around 1802/3 passed by ...garykwf
P.S. and I promise my last word - Marriage is and ought to be between one man and one woman ...Meandering {207}
A very sensitive issue. Here in Wisconsin we had a similar amendment that defined marriage as between 1 man ...garykwf
Oh, I forgot to mention. Are you and your viewers aware that thousands of kids across the nation have ...garykwf
(sigh). Here we go again, blaming the victims. I watched the CAL Sup Ct pleadings and was sorry ...Canbedeep
I just recently moved to Wisconsin from California and was surprised to find out about the Prop 8 thing being ...theundecided [22]
clap Clap Clap Clap!!!!! VERY WELL SAID!!!huscarl
Great video! I too have had one of my political yard signs destroyed recently (Arg!), fortunately I got a free ...WEGGLES
The way I see it is they should be allowed to be married, and it should be up to the ...Marineinftry
This is gonna piss some people off but Marriage is and should always be between 1 man and 1 woman. ...albaquerque
I have heard that American judges have begun to site international law to undermine our own. I would not be ...Glenn [22]
Personally I think all this lobbying, legal action, and general disgruntled behavior has actually done more to harm the advocation ...Glenn [22]
Wow, first post. This is new, but I digress. Oh the joy of California! You know there ...WillJ
I completely agree that all this ruckus is counterproductive in many aspects. As a gay college student, I'm fine with ...